Using “Theocratic Language” with Jehovah’s Witnesses


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Do you know what “theocratic language” is? You won’t find much about it in the Watchtower publications, but if you spend any time in kingdom halls, you will hear the term (or variations such as “pure language”) from the platform. Jehovah’s Witnesses have a unique jargon, which some call “JW-ese.” The truth is, any social group, whether it be a culture, tribe, family, club, company, or others, ends up developing, either deliberately or unintentionally, its own unique jargon. Jehovah’s Witnesses are no exception. To outsiders the JW’s jargon is strange, quirky, and sometimes even funny. For example, what good reason is there to use the word “fruitage” instead of “fruit”? No one would say “Let’s go to the produce stand; we need to buy some fruitage.” But fruitage it is, both in their New World Translation of the Bible, and in their teaching talks. It’s all I can do to keep from snickering whenever I hear it.

Jehovah’s Witnesses, rather than being embarrassed about their quirky jargon, are proud of it. Labeling it “theocratic language” gives it special status. And that’s one of the purposes of specialized jargon–identifying your group as distinct from, and by implication, superior to others. Some of the terms come from their quirky Bible translation (such as “fruitage”). Other terms come from their historic ministry practice (“circuit overseer” and “publishers”). Then there are terms that are used as indoctrinating (and I would argue mind-controlling) tools, such as the use of “the Truth” for everything Watchtower-related and “christiandom” for all other Christian churches, organizations, groups, and individuals.

Some of the specialized terms that JW’s use include:

theocratic, including theocratic language and theocratic ministry school

faithful and discreet slave

going where the need is greater

anointed class

great crowd or other sheep


circuit overseer


governing body

torture stake

kingdom privileges


the Truth

There are many more, as you likely know. I’m tempted to make Bingo cards of them for use during the boring assemblies and conventions.

But there’s a better use for these quirky terms; we can use their language against them. Oh, no, I didn’t just say that! That was antagonistic. Make that: We can use their language to help reach them. Using their terminology is like using their heart language. Ministry to young adults, teens, gypsies, tribal people, businessmen, or any group, would require that we learn about what’s popular with them, including words they use. When they hear something in their language, it gets through to them more quickly and easily.

Here’s an example. Earlier this week I had an opportunity to meet with a new JW acquaintance. While we were getting acquainted, I mentioned that I grew up in Christiandom. As we talked further, I told him about my concern that there are a number of kingdom privileges, or kingdom benefits, that Watchtower teaches are available for only the 144,000 anointed believers, and not for the great crowd believers. When my new friend tried to change the subject to whether Jesus was crucified on a cross or a torture stake, I said that neither one bothered me, and that I didn’t have a problem with either.

See all the words and phrases in italics in the previous paragraph? Those are part of the JW jargon, their theocratic language. And notice that even the phrases “doesn’t bother me” and “I don’t have a problem with” are included. Lately JW’s are using those phrases A LOT. When you bring up an issue that they can’t explain, they dismiss it with that phrase. For example: “I don’t have a problem with the promise of living forever on earth. It sounds like you have a problem with it, but I don’t.” In other words, “What you’re showing me appears to indicate that what the Watchtower teaches contradicts what the Bible says, but Watchtower teaches it, and everything they teach is truth from the Bible, so I believe it no matter what you say, end of conversation.” But now, if I use the “doesn’t bother me” language, the tables are turned. I have shown them that others can use the same argument as they. I have shown my new JW friend what it is like to have a valid point dismissed so flippantly. Perhaps he will think twice about using that phrasing on me or others in the future. Not that I wanted to scold him or “put him in his place” with theocratic language. In fact, using the phrase “kingdom privileges and benefits” perked up his interest immediately for what I had to share with him, and we had a great conversation as a result. We even have plans to meet again! Use of my new friend’s heart language connected with him personally, and allowed the conversation, and our relationship, to continue.

Do you want your conversations with JW’s to last more than 5 minutes? First, love them and care about them. Second, treat them with respect. And then, use their heart language to reach them with the real truth.


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18 responses to “Using “Theocratic Language” with Jehovah’s Witnesses

  1. Fruitage is a word and term being used in many more Christian denominations as it can be found in the Bible the book of books on which Christians should base their teachings.
    About christiandom others would use christendom opposite Christianity to indicate in the first the mix of trinitarians and non-trinitarians whilst i Christianity we are supposed to find only those who really follow the teachings of Christ and worship the same God, Jehovah, the God of Abraham Who is One and not three.

    In many Christian denominations is spoken about fellowship and disfellowship and as such this can be not called a typical “theocratic language of the JW, though perhaps by them it may occur much more often than in other denominations.

    The governing body may come more as an important factor by the JW, them being of more influence than the governing bodies by other denominations, there being it just the official term for the juridical administrative tasks, and not as such for theological reasons or matters.

    “torture stake” is not at all a JW only saying, because that is what can be found in the Holy Scriptures as the element or wooden stake on which Jesus was brought to death. At the time of the killing of Jesus the torturing by putting some one on a two-bbeam torture tool did not exist yet. Historically Jesus was put on a wooden stake, so one could say a “torture stake” or like many more often say just “stake” or “wooden stake”.
    Perhaps many might think those words are their quirky jargon of JW, but then that comes because they do not perhaps meet enough other real Christians or non-trinitarians.

    Concerning “the Truth” many many denominations use that term or say they have “the Truth”. Problem with that is that several who do not follow the Biblical teachings, but adhere more to human doctrines use also that term “the Truth” though they do not follow the Biblical Truth.
    We can only hope that those who are bounded at the moment may find liberation in Christ and come to see that he is the way to God and not God himself, so that they too may find what we and many other non-trinitarians, like the JW, call “the Truth”

    Concerning having conversations with JW’s to last more than 5 minutes every person calling himself or herself a Christian, first of all should love those around them, them being believers or non-believers. Secondly every person calling himself or herself a Christian should follow the task given by Jeshua (Jesus Christ) and as such should preach the gospel or the Good News of the coming Kingdom of God.
    Real Christians should share the agapè love and as such should respect every living being (plants, animals, human beings) and as you indicate it can be nice and a sign of respect to use the language of the one spoken to. On the other hand the other person, or the one coming at the door should also show respect for the other and also should try to speak in the language of the visited person. Respect has to come from both sides. The preaching one or the one who witnesses for Jehovah in first instance should be the example and should show his or her respect for all people around and at the same time can use their heart language to reach others with the real truth. So that we can find in these coming (or going-on) End-times the Word of God preached all over the earth.

    God bless?

  2. The so called specialized terms that JW’s use are general terms many Christian denominations use.

    Most of those terms can be found back in the Holy Scriptures and when an organisation or denomination bases its faith on the Scriptures it would be normal they also use words form the Scriptures, because that are the words or terms provided by the Most High Elohim.
    In many churches they speak about “the cross” though they would better do like many true Christians and readers of the bible use “stake” or a “piece of wood”.

    the majority of Christian groups shall have it about the “Truth”, but by some of them that might be something totally different than by others. We think JW consider the the Truth the same as other true Christians, being salvation lying in the Son of God, Jesus. Lots of denominations in what we would call Christiandom make Jesus as their God, contrary to biblical doctrine. Those who refuse such human doctrines we consider, like the JW, to belong to Christianity. Big problem in North America many trinitarians also use Christianity for their denominations or do not make (and do not know) a difference between Christiandom and Christianity.

    Concerning disfellowship that may be somethinb very particular to JW where shunning is often also a practice, whilst in other denominations not so many people are disfellowshipped. But do know disfellowship exists also in other denominations. Naturally Christian brothers and sisters always would strive to keep everybody in a good fellowship.

    The faithful and discreet slave is something which occurs more than once in the Messianic Scriptures or New Testament, but also can be found in the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament. In many organisations, like ours, that term may be used but may have a different co-notation than by the JW’s who consider their organisation that slave, whilst other Christians use that name for the master teacher Jeshua (Jesus Christ) and sometimes also to denote the slaves in Christ or the working brethren and sisters working for God’s organisation, the Church. Perhaps because the JW do not want to have their believers have the connection with “the Church”, because we do find a lot of churches which belong to the Whore of Babylon or the false churches (trinitarian churches).

    In those false churches they also do not want their flock to believe they should still do works or should still keep to the commands of God, though several of those churches try to mislead their flock and try to keep them in control by the false teaching of purgatory and eternal torture in hell. In contrast the bible teaches that people have to follow the commandments of God and speaks also about a great crowd and/or other sheep as well of anointed pepole and/or chosen ones. As such those terms are not only used by the JW but are general terms used by many more Christians, because they are just biblical terms.

    You ending your chapter or article with “And then, use their heart language to reach them with the real truth.” let us wonder what the heart language may be and being them very close to the truth, we wonder what you then mean by the “real truth”. When it is considering their organisation and the way of their construction, plus a few particular side steps, like the difference in believe of the 144 000 by other denominations and their concentration on their “governing body”, whilst by others that would only be a “governing body” for administrative means and state obligations.

    The JW are not our cup of tea, but they are much closer to the truth than the majority of people who call themselves Christian but do not keep to the biblical doctrines, but prefer to keep the human doctrines and to hold on to the many folk traditions and false ungodly feasts (like Christmas and Easter). Therefore many people can learn a lot from those people who do at least the task Jesus has given to his followers, to go out in the whole world and to witness the coming Kingdom of God. That can not be said of many Christians, that they follow up that tasks of Christ and following his teachings, which the JW try to follow.

    • Thank you for your response to my post! You bring up many points I would like to address, but I will limit myself to those that I believe are the major ones. First, when you say “most of those terms can be found back in the Holy Scriptures,” yes, a few of them are (such as “faithful and discreet slave”), but the JW’s mean something very different from other Christians. While the word “anointed” does appear in scripture, the phrase “anointed class” does not. The vast majority of those terms I listed are NOT found in the Bible at all, including theocratic, christiandom, circuit overseer, disfellowship, governing body, and publishers.
      Next, while the phrase “faithful and discreet slave” (“faithful and wise steward” in translations other than the Watchtower’s New World Translation) appears in the Bible, it does NOT appear in the Hebrew Scriptures or Old Testament. In the New Testament (Matthew and Luke), it appears in a parable about all believers being ready, and not in a prophecy about any end-times group.
      Now, about your broad generalizations of churches other than JW’s, when you say things like “they do not want their flock to believe they should still do works,” you are entirely wrong. We do teach that our works do not earn us right standing with Jehovah, forgiveness of sins, or eternal life. Those things are given to us as a gift of grace from Jehovah, and are obtained by faith (trusting in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus). We do teach that good works are the fruit (or fruitage) of our faith, and we encourage, even admonish, our fellow believers to engage in them. When James says “faith without works is dead,” it means that works are the vital signs that indicate a living faith. If there are no works, then the lack of evidence indicates that the faith is dead, that is, non-existent.
      Finally, you ask what I mean by “real truth.” By that I am implying that JW’s, like all religions of the world except authentic Christianity, teach as truth the necessity of man’s effort to obtain salvation. The Truth is that salvation is by grace, through faith, apart from works (see Ephesians 2:8-9). Everything other than that is a false gospel, and therefore not “real truth.”
      I hope that my response to yours will encourage you to read scripture apart from any other publications, whether from Jehovah’s Witnesses or other “Bible student” groups, or anyone else. It is only then that you will be able to see the real truth.

      • Concerning fellowship and disfellowship, it is true that disfelloswhip as such may not be mentioned in the bible. But the Book of books talks about fellowship and calls for making a brotherhood, being brothers and sisters under Christ (hence our name e.g.), but also warns about the dangers for an ecclesia when unfaithful people or poisoned spirits may enter the community or when such people with non-biblical theories may be a danger to the community. There are several warnings and guidances explaining what to do in such instances. As such the JW may speak about disfellowship, but in the Catholic as well in other denominations (like the Anglican Church) we may find exclusions or lock-outs from their Church or find excommunications. How a church wants to call it, it mostly comes to the same point, that the person excommunicated is no member of the denomination any more. The only problem we can see by JW is that mostly shunning gets involved as well, and that is a totally different matter. Perhaps you were looking at their disfellowshipping followed by shunning and very un-christian attitude against those disfellowshipped.

        We are convinced that reading the Scripture is a necessity to find the truth, but notice also that there are many denominations in Christendom or as JW’s put it “Christiandom”, which do spend more time on reading philosophical and so called theological works instead on Biblical study. Lots of people calling themselves Christians do prefer human doctrines more than Biblical doctrines, though it are the biblical doctrines which should be the Truth.

      • You write “The vast majority of those terms I listed are NOT found in the Bible at all, including theocratic, christiandom, circuit overseer, disfellowship, governing body, and publishers.” which does not mean that they should not be bad use like we do not find the word “Trinity” in the Bible but can be assure that is a false teaching, because enough phases show that it is against the words being said in Scripture. Though the terms you mention are descriptions or terms entered in our language from actions in line with matters spoken of in the letters of the apostles (like keeping a gathering or fellowship and as such ending the fellowship having a disfellowhsip)

        Theocratic and Christiandom are naturally not in the Bible, first of all Christ Jesus never had the intention to create a new religion. So normally all followers of Jesus should have the same faith as the Jewish Nazarene,and as such believing in the Only One true God of Israel, theGod of Abraham, Who is One Singular God Who man can not see. Because of the false teachings where Jesus is being taken as God, there naturally could not be a connection with Judaism and as such a new religious group was created. It are men who gave that new religious group names like first the name Christianity, standing for the followers of Christ (the ones believing Jesus being the son of God and not believing in a Three-headed god or Trinity). Because the false teaching of the Trinity created an other group in many languages therefore an other name was chosen to indicate the followers of the Trinity teaching and in most languages therefore that group received the name Christendom or by some English speaking countries also Christiandom. Big problem is that by lots of Americans Christianity is also used to group their church, though they belong to the believers in the Trinity. The world best can use a differentiation for those followers of Jeshua, Jesus Christ, the Nazarene Jew who worshipped only the One true God and not himself; and an other name to indicate the followers of the 4th century teaching of the trinity. In the Jewish community we can see already some Jews who accepted Jesus as their Saviour, but do not want to be called Christian, because of the possible wrong taking that people would consider them believers in a Trinity. Those Messianic Jews therefore prefer to be called Jew (what they are) are to be called Jeshuaist, to indicate they are a follower of the Nazarene Jewish rebbe Jeshua (Jesus Christ).

        It is because men wants to label everything that certain words, which are not in the Bible should be introduced, as well as to take confusion away. The Bible is also written in Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek and as such people not speaking those languages need words in their own language.

        When your mother-tongue is English you may be pleased to find a variety of English bibles, but living in the 21st century language having evolved and several changes having taken place, you also need words or terms which did not exist yet in Biblical times, and as such JW also using words which did not exist then could introduce general worldly terms, like “governing body”. Concerning “overseer” that is a very good term for a word that was used in ancient times for the person who went looking at the ecclesia is everything went all right. Several 1st century words are as such still used by several followers of Christ all over the world. It are linguists who decided what would be the word in such or such language and as such internationally is accepted that such word is used in such way written, for example Yehowah in contemporary spelling is now written as Jehovah. A synonym for the biblical term and 1st century word used for the visitor of the ecclesia which may be translated as “Supervisor” can well be “Overseer”. But if you would prefer to use “supervisor” nobody would prohibit that. It is just a matter of appointment and agreement. In every church-community one can find particular typical terms for that denomination, that does not mean that it is a bad denomination or a totally wrong church, or that they would not follow the Bible. by the way, how are people that to know which would be the right church or community to belong too.

        Bigger problem in the way you are thinking is that most of the English speaking people are than 1st not only worshipping the wrong God but secondly are also giving the Messiah the wrong name. The promised Messiah his name is not Jesus or Issou but Jeshua, though today normally it is accepted that those saying Jesus (in the different pronunciations), Jezus, Chesu, Ishi are meaning Jeshua and speaking about that 1st century Nazarene Jewish master teacher, even that lots of Americans do not want to see or accept that he was a Jew (but that may be of their lack of knowledge or not having had a good education).

        Therefore nobody today is going to worry when you would say Jesus to the one we would call Jeshua in Hebrew or any other language we speak. And to make it easy to come to understanding we too would also use Jesus for the same one we also call Jeshua, knowing that we do not have it about some one else. Concerning terminology often preachers can use other words to speak to the common folks, whilst with colleagues or other preachers they may use more specific terms or names, or “theological names or terms”, which also depends of the theological college/university they have followed.

        Such terminology should not withhold people to follow one or another teacher or preacher to come to the truth.

        So, please if certain words are not familiar for you or any non-believer, come to know the words used in a certain group and come to learn also the other words used by other groups to indicate just the same.

        In all Christian denominations does it exist that a person can be ex-communicated. You may call it excommunication (also a word not in the Bible) or disfellowshipping (a word that can be translated in English as such meaning the “ending of ‘fellowshipping'”, a word which is in the Messianic writings). As such disfellowship is a much better and more Biblical word than excommunication or other terms which may be used by certain ‘Christian’ congregations.

      • I agree that just because a word does not appear in scripture that we should not use it. I think you would agree that there are concepts that appear in scripture, to which we apply convenient labels, such as “disfellowship,” “omnipotence,” and “omniscience.” You do seem to make a distinction between your form of disfellowshipping and that of Jehovah’s Witnesses. What does yours look like then?
        Also, what is your response to my point about the difference between the Truth as found in the biblical gospel, namely, salvation by grace through faith resulting in good works, as opposed to the “truth” of the “gospel” of the JW’s, which is attempted salvation by our works or performance?

      • First of all we are against disfellowshipping and would do such a thing only as last resort.

      • (Post was sent to early – so here the rest) Concerning dis-fellowshipping we would request somebody who lives in an unchristian way not to take part of the symbols any more (bread and wine) but would allow him or her in the ecclesia as longs as that person does not disturb so much the group or does not become a danger for the group.

        As such when somebody keeps more than one wife or when somebody treats his or her partner in a bad way, or commit certain sexual acts in public which would not be appropriate, we would warn that person and try to get him or her back on track.

        When a person has also strange ideas which are in conflict with the biblical teaching we would try to bring a person back to his senses.

        When no advice helped and we would have all the best we can to show our brotherly love, to no avail, we would let time have its turn, the person probably leaving us (without us sending him or her away) otherwise when becoming a danger to infect other members of the ecclesia we would advice the person to look for an other community or church where he or she could find himself or herself at ease.

        When he or she has shown enough signs or has let us known not willing to be part of our community we write it down him or her not wanting to have fellowship with us any more. So mostly dis-fellowship shall come after the request of the other not to be a member any more of the community.

        As such, it might be strange for some people, theft or even murder and imprisonment are not a reason for us to disfellowship somebody. In such instances we would be ready to help that person to find the right way again.

        In our community each church is responsible for its own flock and for its own regulations. Therefore it can well be a certain group (the conservative ones) may disfellowship easier or earlier, like for example when there is fornication. We on our side accept homo’s in our community but would not accept them to have sex with different partners or to contribute to gay parades for example or sex in public. When we would know of such escapades we also would ask the person to find an other community or to think about the love God expects from a follower of him and lover of God. In case that person can not live up to the Biblical way of life, he or she is welcome to follow bible study and to be in worship service but would not be allowed to use the symbols (receiving the bread and the wine).

        In our opinion disfellowshipping can only be the last resort and does not help much to bring somebody to God. The opposite happens easier. Somebody being disfellowshipped can go astray and can come to groups which are not at all following the Biblical rules or worse even leave any faith in God aside and becoming an atheist (in most cases) and even an adversary of those who have faith in God.

        The disfellowshipping by the JW’s with the shunning is a very sad case. They, in our eyes also take an unloving attitude to members who they do not allow to have contact with their own family members who left the community. For us that can not be done. As lovers of God we at all times should show brotherly love and should be there to help those in great need. When there are problems than it is the most important to come to help and to try to give guidance and support to come over the problems.
        We also find a family always should be respected as such and whatever a family member has done this may not be any reason not to have contact with such family member.
        It is the task of the elders to help to restore the relationship between the family as well as between the ecclesia plus to try to restore the relationship with God. Nobody may be left in the cold or darkness.

      • The second point you wonder is about faith and works.
        You ask ” what is your response to my point about the difference between the Truth as found in the biblical gospel, namely, salvation by grace through faith resulting in good works, as opposed to the “truth” of the “gospel” of the JW’s, which is attempted salvation by our works or performance?”

        We are not JW and have no connection with them which makes also that we perhaps do not know exactly what you or they mean by ““truth” of the “gospel” of the JW’s,”.

        Each human being has received for free the possibility to be saved. By his payment for the sins of the whole mankind, giving his body as a lamb for God, everybody can receive salvation. But when a person does not do anything with that given salvation he or she shall be nothing with it.

        Like you might find in the scriptures people should be warned that though they are saved they can loose the possibility to enter through the small gates of the Kingdom of God. Several parables of Jesus warn us of the danger not to prepare ourselves or not to keep to the good deeds we should keep. When a person does not keep to the commandments of God he or she shall not be able to enter the Kingdom of God.

        Please do not forget the very important warning, also described by James: Faith without works is dead.

        You may perhaps not like it but certain works or actions are requested to be able to be granted that salvation.

        First of all you need to see your faults and you should regret them. Without sorry for wrong doing there is no salvation. Next should there believe in God and for those born after the dead of the Messiah (Christ Jesus) there is the need of the belief in god and His sent one, the son of God, Jesus Christ (Jeshua). It is totally wrong to think an atheist or an adversary of God would be saved and receive entrance in God’s Kingdom.

        Once a person has found faith in god and in Christ he or she should come to let himself baptised, again a work to be undertaken.

        A baptised person then should live according to the will of God, which shall demand a lot of work. We do know there are lots of Christian denominations which teach that when a person is baptised is reborn he or she is saved for ever. Though we then find it strange that they frighten them with purgatory and eternal hellfire when they should not have to worry any more about doing good works or keeping the commandments of God. Such preaching of torment after life is a contradiction with their saying people do not have to have works.

        they should know we certainly have to do many works, the most important being to keep to the commandments of God. In the New Testament the apostles warn their ecclesia members for lots of actions which are not accepted by God (like the previous mentioned fornication). The apostles as well as the prophets and Jesus in particular warn the people and tell them what they should do to earn the entrance to the Kingdom of God.

        At several of our websites you may find several articles concerning works of faith and works and faith, plus about the possibility to enter or to miss entrance to the Kingdom of God. We gladly would advice you to have a look at them.

        Without the right faith and without the right attitude and/or works a person shall be able to miss the possibility to use his free given gift of Salvation.

        You can compare it with us giving you a limousine. When you receive that beautiful car, but you not putting the key in the lock and not trying to drive with it safely, you would be nothing with that car. You should use it and to use it you shall have to fill it with petrol, push the gas-pedal, push the breaks , should turn the wheel, take attention of what happens on the road, have to drive safely, all works which you shall have to undertake to arrive at the goal which god has prepared for you. but when you do not want to look out for the way to God, nor want to give gas and drive safely you shall not be able to arrive where you would like to dream of.

        If JW would tell their members they have to do so many hours of preaching or would have to give so much money to their church (like Catholics and certain evangelists do) then there is a problem, and then we would say that is not the work the Bible is peaking of.

        But when the JW are talking about the Truth which has to be found, like believing that Jesus is the son of God, the sent one from God, the authorised one from God, the one sitting at the right Hand of God, and that Jesus is not the God but the way to God, then we should say Yes, they have all the reason to believe that people should come to that Biblical Truth and should abandon the human doctrines and should do away of all the heathen and false actions and festivals (like Christmas, Easter, a.o.) which may demand a lot of work and a strong attitude because the majority of humankind prefers the human traditions and lots of heathen events. To go against the stream of the world and not to live according to the world, demands lots of work, and Jesus even warns that it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for man to enter the Kingdom.

      • We do hope in the mean time you came to see and understand that a follower of Christ must try to be clothed with divine attributes and as a believer has to take certain works (like to repent, to get baptised, to worship only One God, to keep God’s commandments, etc.).

        One of the works mentioned in the Bible (we forgot to mention) we have to do (and being of great importance), is to put off the old man and his deeds and put on the new man which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Jesus. (Read a.o. 1 Peter 5:5 + Colossians 3:8-10 + 12-14) where Paul goes on to itemise the clothing in our spiritual wardrobe, the most important of which is charity or love, which is the bond of perfectness.

      • I agree that the works you mention are vital to the Christian’s life, but do you think that they earn salvation (eternal life and favor with God), or that they help to develop character once salvation has been freely received? Obviously I believe the second choice to be the biblical one. What are your thoughts?

      • As we said before to every person on earth the opportunity is given to be saved and to enter the Kingdom of God. By the offer of Christ salvation could be every one’s, but people have to accept it (a task or work to be done) and use it (again a work to be done).

        The gift of salvation, like normally a gift should be without costs, is free, but after having received the free gift one has to do something with it (which demands works). Lots of Christians do think because it is a free gift they do not to do any works any more, and that is a fault idea.

  3. Too many Christians are forgetting the background of the many parables Jesus told but also the many warnings concerning staying put or not doing anything with the idea that one is saved and should not do any works any more.

    So what about:
    Romans 8:13; 2 Peter 2:20; James his second letter which should be clear that without any works our faith is dead and we are nothing?

    Concerning the judgment it is also made clear that Jesus shall search the heart and take into account what we have done. In case people would be able to do whatever they feel like doing (having sex with many and enjoying life for example – something which we see enough today) what and who is Jesus to judge when they also straight after death would go to heaven?

    • When you say that many Christians believe “the idea that one is saved and should not do any works any more,” that is not what true Christians believe. What we (including Martin Luther and the early church fathers) believe is that once we are saved by grace (a free gift, not earned or deserved), then we are to demonstrate that new life with good works. Faith is the root, and good works are the fruit. We cannot earn favor with God, but once we have received his favor by faith, we are to exhibit good works, and we enjoy the benefits of doing so.
      You say that James says “without any works our faith is dead and we are nothing.” I think you added the “we are nothing” part. I’m not seeing that in James.
      When you ask “What is Jesus to judge,” my answer is that he will judge unbelievers for their works (or lack thereof), as well as the condition of their hearts; but he will judge believers for their works, but not for life or death, but for more or fewer rewards. There are separate judgments for believers and for unbelievers. One is called the Great White Throne judgment, and the other is the Judgment Seat of Christ. That is the biblical teaching; you are confusing the two.

      • Thank you very much for your reaction.

        Yes I added that “we are nothing” and feel sorry if I gave the impression James wrote that, though I meant that was the underlying factor of his saying.

  4. What would be fewer or more rewards? So you believe that there shall be inequality in yhe Kingdom of God, a person having more or less than an other?

    • Yes, it’s what the Bible teaches. See First Corinthians 3:11-15. “For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

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